Headline Read: People Leaving United States due to Election.

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How moronic. There wasn't really that much differnce between Bush and Kerry in terms of foreign policy. Kerry wanted to "win" in Iraq, and drag France et cetera into it as well. He justs wants to be a more aggressive Emperor as oppossed to Bush, who is basically Caligula.

The so-called left in this country was soo willing to let Kerry slide on everything for the sole purpose of removing Bush. Why they keep falling for the bullshit from the Democrats is beyond me. Kerry is a Zionist, and supports the deranged idea of a apartheid rump puppet reservation passing itself off as a Palestinian state. Fortunately, the Strasserite/"Labour" Zionists are losing, and the whole of Palestine will once again belong to the Palestinians, after the showdown with the fascist kahaneites, of course.

Myself, I would have supported the SLP candidate if they had had one, even though they have a little too much plantation liberalism for me, such as considering racism to be a major factor.

Well said Lycan.

Silly, Moron, Idiots...which ever word one uses it's all the same to me....As you said...It's just a bunch of crybabies who didn't get what they want...So sure they say they want to leave the united states...to me that is just one plain and simple word...STUPIDITY. How dare someone living in the U.S. born and grown here turn their backs on their country...and what for?...because an election didn't go the way they wanted it to go....PLEASE GIVE ME A BREAK...GET OUTTA TOWN AS FAR AS I CARE...what pathetic sorry-losers the Kerry supporters are.

<font color="#FF0000" size="1">[ November 09, 2004 01:10 AM: Message edited by: A Katt Named Raggz ]</font>

HOMELAND security raided several homes and businesses today across the country, and they have announced that they will be doing more raiding in the near future. They did it to a business out here today that was owned by a WHITE christain family.

Remember the old story the jews say about "they came for my neighbor and I said nothing"
"when they came for me, no one was there to say anything for me"

yes, the reason I see people fleeing, is that America is slowly turning into Germany just before WW2.

don't laugh, you may be next.

it has NOTHING to do with Kerri or Bush winning/ Losing whatever (we all know they are members of the exact same organizations)

it has to do with the fact that this country was founded on freedoms and we are slowly seeing those freedoms deteriorate into nothing.
These losses started forming YEARS before either of these idiots came along, problem is, they are doing NOTHING in order to curb them. Bush seems to be joining in on the republican agenda to OBLITIRATE it at an even FASTER rate.

ok, I'm done whining...

While I consider both of you two my brothers in glam, I obviously disagree politically. For Lycan, I appreciate your insightful question. It's a good one, and I'm not sure I have the answer. Would I have pity for the right had Kerry won? Probably not, but those of us on the left aren't asking for pity. Had Kerry won, however, the right would still have the Gay marriage bans, the Republican Senate and House, and would be able to limit Kerry's ability to govern. With Bush winning, however, the left has little to do with anything coming out of Washington now, so our voice will be hard to hear. Do I disagree with comparisons of Bush to Hitler? Of course. That's obsurd in every possible way. Now you have heard someone on the left say that is wrong. In the media, you won't ever hear it because to honor such insanity with a response is crazy. While some of the stereotypes you mentioned about leftists are indeed true, I hope that you could see from both my last post, and this one, that I'm NOT one of those guys. As I stated in my first post, I'm NOT saying the "moral right" vision of America is wrong, I'm just saying it's wrong for me. I've lived in Texas, LA, NYC, and Missouri, and it probably won't surprise you to know that I'm MUCH more comfortable on the coasts. Here I'm an outcast. Here, people view Bush as a gift from God. I view him as an arrogant asshole who is destroying the America I love so much. Either way, though, he's the President, and I wish him the best. I hope in four years I can say that I was wrong about him...The people I discussed in my post aren't elitists, aren't snobs, aren't anything other than good, sincere, loving Americans, who simply believe passionately in a viewpoint that has fallen out of the mainstream.

For Raggz, your post was a little different bro. I've seen on here that you are a smart guy. I would hope that you are smart enough to know that the Kerry supporters would be crybabies if they were leaving the country because they lost and didn't get what they want. That's not why. They are leaving because this country has moved too close to letting the Bible govern. Read my post bro. It's not about being a loser. It's about having the strength to say "This place is no longer my home...I must go find a new one." In many ways, it's no different than the Pilgrims leaving England to find a place where they would be at peace. Those of us who believe passionately in love, compassion, and a total and complete separation of church and state, are finding ourselves in a land that probably won't provide us much peace. Moving on to a new one isn't being a sorry loser, it's seeking higher ground when your old home has washed away...If you break this down to just "Kerry lost, so you crybabies are leaving", then you don't really understand the issue at all. It's infinitely more complicated than that.

Sandi

Why did they raid the businesses? What were the reasons? Did they suspect them of harboring terrorists? What was the story?

The only freedoms we are losing are those that the people, in their mad dash for 'safety', trade in so they can be protected by the government. Nobody wants to be hurt anymore. You feel inconvenienced? Sue. You don't get your way? Call the ACLU.

That said, we are not anywhere close to 30's Germany. Any comparisons are rather foolish. 30's Germany wasn't under the spector of being attacked by people who wanted to kill them.

Sandi, I think you know that I respect you. I also allow for dissenting opinions to my own. I agree that the church and state need to be separated in the manner with which they are in the constitution (aka, the govt. will never create a state mandated religion). If we ever start veering towards being a theocracy (read: Syria, Jordan), I'd be out of here. However, we are miles away from that. Every politician will propose and oppose laws based mostly on who they are. If they're religious and God plays a huge role in their lives, then that will shape their decisions. Of course, it will only shape them to the point which the Constitution allows. The whole idea that Bush wants to take away gay rights and a woman's right to choose is nuts. If that's what he wants, then why didn't he push for that in his first term? Other than the patriot act (which yes, was a bit reactionary to 9/11, but was still what the people were calling for), please tell me how he has destroyed america. The proposed amendment to the constitution banning gay marriage, btw, wasn't any sort of priority to Bush and Co. until some peeps in SF decided to ignore the law and marry gay couples. After this giant debacle, Bush saw a need to propose the Amendment. I really doubt we will ever see it pass due to the fact that it's changing the constitution. Many republicans, I have a feeling, would rather see it decided on a state by state basis (such as how it was on Tuesday). I, as a moderate, concur with this. For now, I think that the proposed amendment serves to keep individual pockets from perpetrating such activities in the future.

btw, Sandi, you say that the media doesn't comment on such accusations due to their absurdity. Why then do they show massive amounts of coverage of protesters with signs making such statements? Why cover them at all if this is their message?

Also, if we are sliding toward theocracy, then why the raping of the rights of the 11 Christians who were merely demonstrating silently at a gay rights rally in Pennsylvania? I think we might be heading in the opposite direction, personally.

<font color="#FF0000" size="1">[ November 09, 2004 03:02 AM: Message edited by: Cotton Candy Lover ]</font>

I have to say i agree with Sandi.
Of course it's silly to compare Bush with Hitler but this is still scary to me.
Kerry didn't appear as a savior to me, but someone who could be more open to the world and less right wing oriented.
Nevertheless, I think Kerry failed in being able to communicate with the common people of America, when you look at the vote map, just the west and east coasts chose Kerry.
About the actors and musicians who said they will move to Europe, I don't think they'll all do it.
I like Sean Penn and Michael Moore but Mr. Moore doesn't need to move since he already spends most of his time here in France :-)

My wife pointed out part of Kerry's problem. It was that whenever he did the debates or anything, he only spoke to the people of the state he was in. It drove her crazy. Bush kept talking about America as a whole, and Kerry spent the whole time talking about Virginia or whatever.

I'll say this about the election. It was kind of funny, usually my wife and I can talk about anything. But after this election, neither one of us wanted to talk about who we elected. We both just stood there shrugging our shoulders and saying "I hope I did the right thing". It sucked.

Laur, you guys in France can keep both Penn and Moore. Hell, do me a favour and prop Moore on top of the Eiffle Tower for me. Funny thing about him, one of my best friends lives in Flint Michigan and a lot of people in Flint Michigan hate him

Sandi...I too respect your opinion,
But I find it ridiculous how the Kerry supporters acted before the win and how they reacted after...What I saw on T.V. was that some of the Kerry supporters were animals and were those people that would instigate a riot or do anything to win, the hatred some Kerry supporters had was unbelievable...not civilized at all.
And yes, I do know that it's about the whole bringing in the bible into all this...But why cry over the whole thing...Do I agree with Religion involved with Politics, NO...but All I know is that I wouldn't turn my back on my country. People are making this a White & Black thing...and I don't mean races, with that I mean...the country is now divided into two. It's just pathetic to see how this happened....Due to an election.
I'll tell you one thing...I sure wouldn't want or trust a Kerry supporter covering my back..cuz as quick as they turned their backs on their country...In an instant they would turn their backs on you as well.
I'm done with this topic...cuz we can keep on going, but why should I continue, when the world will always have crybabies who didn't get what they wanted....It's a no win situation....Well yes it is...a WIN FOR BUSH.

<font color="#FF0000" size="1">[ November 09, 2004 10:36 AM: Message edited by: A Katt Named Raggz ]</font>